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		<title>By: The Six Year Itch</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-440</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 19:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the use, worth and quality of MFA programs, there has already been plenty written about what is right or wrong about MFA programs and the quality of the books published by those graduates. So, for now, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the use, worth and quality of MFA programs, there has already been plenty written about what is right or wrong about MFA programs and the quality of the books published by those graduates. So, for now, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RShackelford</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-412</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Top notch school in New York&quot;?  Uh, I don&#039;t think that exists. At least not for a CW MFA. They get cachet for being in New York and lots of (usually rich, often already from New York) people fall for it, that&#039;s it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Top notch school in New York&#8221;?  Uh, I don&#8217;t think that exists. At least not for a CW MFA. They get cachet for being in New York and lots of (usually rich, often already from New York) people fall for it, that&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: motherhoodanextremesport</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-291</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for this. I get so tired of hearing the bad MFA talk too, mostly because I worked really hard to get a my graduate degree to be told it&#039;s a load of crap. An MFA is rigorous, but the skeptics never really mention that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this. I get so tired of hearing the bad MFA talk too, mostly because I worked really hard to get a my graduate degree to be told it&#8217;s a load of crap. An MFA is rigorous, but the skeptics never really mention that.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-275</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find the criticisms leveled at MFA programs largely ridiculous. Most frequently I hear that MFA programs are ripping off the no-talents they have scammed into attending. First, my MFA program pays me to attend. I receive free tuition, a generous stipend, and summer funding in exchange for just writing. I don&#039;t even have a teaching requirement. Second, my program does not accept all comers. When I applied, my genre received 440 applications for 4 spots. With acceptance levels so low, I had to develop a work ethic well before I was accepted. No one&#039;s getting in with unfinished stories full of typos and cliches. I cannot fathom why a developing writer who is offered an income to write and to seriously study writing should turn down the opportunity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the criticisms leveled at MFA programs largely ridiculous. Most frequently I hear that MFA programs are ripping off the no-talents they have scammed into attending. First, my MFA program pays me to attend. I receive free tuition, a generous stipend, and summer funding in exchange for just writing. I don&#8217;t even have a teaching requirement. Second, my program does not accept all comers. When I applied, my genre received 440 applications for 4 spots. With acceptance levels so low, I had to develop a work ethic well before I was accepted. No one&#8217;s getting in with unfinished stories full of typos and cliches. I cannot fathom why a developing writer who is offered an income to write and to seriously study writing should turn down the opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Thank you, Kate! &#171; Life After M.F.A.</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thank you, Kate! &#171; Life After M.F.A.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Thank you,&#160;Kate!  Jump to Comments  As if I didn&#8217;t already think she was brilliant&#8230; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Uma</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-31</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you. That&#039;s the smartest rebuttal of the Sod-the-MFA argument that I&#039;ve heard in a while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. That&#8217;s the smartest rebuttal of the Sod-the-MFA argument that I&#8217;ve heard in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Siobhan</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-30</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[V. interesting post, Kate. 

I haven&#039;t been privy to the &quot;MFAs create too many bad writers&quot; complaint before. If anything, as a grad student and non-MFA writer, I&#039;d say the accusation I most often hear is that MFA programs *don&#039;t* create writers. The MFA provides a structure that demands a certain degree of productivity, but once a student leaves with a degree there&#039;s no guarantee that he or she will have the discipline &amp; work ethic necessary to keep writing. 

Now, that&#039;s true of all degrees. I guess the thing is with MFAs is that I run into a lot of undergraduates who have I-talk-about-my-novel-rather-than-writing-it syndrome, and who look to the MFA as the solution. When are they going to write their novel? Well, after they&#039;ve got their MFA, of course. And while there are a few of them who might genuinely be so anxious about committing literary faux pas that they are putting off writing until they learn their craft well, the truth is the majority of those people *really* wanted to be authors, they&#039;d already be writing. 

So if I have any suspicions concerning MFA programs, it&#039;s only in the sense that I&#039;ve run into some people (inside and outside MFA programs) for whom an MFA degree is the equivalent of the New Years&#039; gym membership purchase. Sure, the degree/gym membership will help you achieve your goal if you use it, but it isn&#039;t going to magically install motivation and discipline.

As for the value of individual programs, well, obviously they vary. And I&#039;ve read a lot of excellent writing in a variety of genres that came from authors with MFAs, so I don&#039;t buy the argument that these programs destroy your ability to write popular fiction, either. (Though I have to say, I&#039;ve found the longer I&#039;ve been in academia the harder I find it to adapt my writing to different audiences.) 

If there&#039;s anything I have a concern about in MFA programs is that they can, I think, lead people to imbibe and reinscribe the set of genre conventions belonging to &#039;literary&#039; fiction. Certainly I can think of times that I&#039;ve been reading a novel and been annoyed by the insertion of a self-consciously clever device that seems (to me) more calculated to please a class professor than the average reader. But bad writing, as you point out, is everywhere, and at least authors with MFA degrees do it better than most.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V. interesting post, Kate. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been privy to the &#8220;MFAs create too many bad writers&#8221; complaint before. If anything, as a grad student and non-MFA writer, I&#8217;d say the accusation I most often hear is that MFA programs *don&#8217;t* create writers. The MFA provides a structure that demands a certain degree of productivity, but once a student leaves with a degree there&#8217;s no guarantee that he or she will have the discipline &amp; work ethic necessary to keep writing. </p>
<p>Now, that&#8217;s true of all degrees. I guess the thing is with MFAs is that I run into a lot of undergraduates who have I-talk-about-my-novel-rather-than-writing-it syndrome, and who look to the MFA as the solution. When are they going to write their novel? Well, after they&#8217;ve got their MFA, of course. And while there are a few of them who might genuinely be so anxious about committing literary faux pas that they are putting off writing until they learn their craft well, the truth is the majority of those people *really* wanted to be authors, they&#8217;d already be writing. </p>
<p>So if I have any suspicions concerning MFA programs, it&#8217;s only in the sense that I&#8217;ve run into some people (inside and outside MFA programs) for whom an MFA degree is the equivalent of the New Years&#8217; gym membership purchase. Sure, the degree/gym membership will help you achieve your goal if you use it, but it isn&#8217;t going to magically install motivation and discipline.</p>
<p>As for the value of individual programs, well, obviously they vary. And I&#8217;ve read a lot of excellent writing in a variety of genres that came from authors with MFAs, so I don&#8217;t buy the argument that these programs destroy your ability to write popular fiction, either. (Though I have to say, I&#8217;ve found the longer I&#8217;ve been in academia the harder I find it to adapt my writing to different audiences.) </p>
<p>If there&#8217;s anything I have a concern about in MFA programs is that they can, I think, lead people to imbibe and reinscribe the set of genre conventions belonging to &#8216;literary&#8217; fiction. Certainly I can think of times that I&#8217;ve been reading a novel and been annoyed by the insertion of a self-consciously clever device that seems (to me) more calculated to please a class professor than the average reader. But bad writing, as you point out, is everywhere, and at least authors with MFA degrees do it better than most.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara A.</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-29</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s worth noting that Flannery O&#039;Connor was a graduate of the Iowa Writer&#039;s Workshop....MFA Iowa State University, 1947.

Just sayin&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that Flannery O&#8217;Connor was a graduate of the Iowa Writer&#8217;s Workshop&#8230;.MFA Iowa State University, 1947.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Guy</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Some Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This should be required reading before anyone is allowed to even say the letters MFA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be required reading before anyone is allowed to even say the letters MFA.</p>
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		<title>By: Arwen</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.info/2007/04/16/the-great-mfa-debate/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arwen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, KH. Can&#039;t spend long, but thanks a lot, and I&#039;m going to have to muse on that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, KH. Can&#8217;t spend long, but thanks a lot, and I&#8217;m going to have to muse on that.</p>
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